Friday, February 23, 2007

Liberals Throwing the Race Card in Defense of Jihad

I REALLY can't believe this one. Now, somehow, identifying Jihadists or Radical Islamist as BAD, I'm a racist! Yep, makes whopping lots of sense! Perfectly reasonable! Just take enough little blue pills and you will get the same conclusion in no time. If you haven't noticed, I'm at a loss on this one. So far from normalcy that its scary. See for yourself:
Yes, racist, as in the following quotes, from you: "This is fueled by a philosophy that does not value life... the overwhelming primary source of terrorism does not come from radicals in those groups. It comes from one clearly identifiable source... the Arab Muslim community as a unconscious/conscious facilitator." Yes, racist.
I'm not even sure bin Laden himself could follow that one. I'm coming around to the view that modern liberalism is a greater threat to America than radical Islam. It's insidious and poisons the mind, soul, and heart. The epitome of evil wrapped with feel good gift paper. At least the Jihadists are overt in their loathing... This little tidbit came with a kicker concerning the last post:
Then, we have: "Have you not convicted the US of systematic torture, rendition, terror based solely on accusation? HMMMM?"

So...a. Bush and Cheney have both publicly admitted the above.
b. We have survivors of the process who will testify to the torture.
c. We have at least 4 governments in Europe who are asking for CIA people to be arrested and bought to trial.
d. Several nationals of the countries involved have admitted their involvement.
e. investigative journalists have id'ed the planes, tail numbers, flight times etc etc.

So, I say, on to court. Give us a chance to prove it under oath, in court. Bet ya won't..... No get outta jail card free. Problem is, little if any of this appears in the controlled American press. If you CCCRW's say it aint so, let's go to trial and see what the courts do with it. Ya, I know you hate due process, rules of evidence, witnesses, cross examination, but hey, that's how you get to truth in democratic judicial process; not by drum head court martials in the middle of the night. The American process has become the old nacht und nebel of the national socialists. What wonderful company you now have. Finally: "you can't see that cause WE are the bad guys, WE are the instigators of terror." Wrong again. All we liberals are saying is, we do it too. We too are terrorists, just like them. The notion of 'american exceptionalism' is dead. No more 'city on a hill' bullshit. The Americans, the West, is just as bad as anybody else. The Russians in Chechnya, the French in Algeria, the Brits in Kenya, Israel in Palestine and Lebanon and the Americans in Vietnam and Iraq. We ain't so high and mighty....we are guilty of the same practices as they are, and often on a larger scale.
So in response to these amazing statements I get a bit heated:
Unbelievable! Don't stick to your incorrect accusation on this one, or you will prove yourself damaged, base and irrelevant.

Radical Islam does not value life, and they prove it by action. The philosophy of radical Islam is evil. Nothing to do with race. So, no racism there....

The primary source of terrorism today comes from radical Islamists. Another statement of fact. Nothing to do with race or racism.

Accusing the Arab Muslim community of possible facilitation of said radical groups is another fact. This deals potentially with a ethnic group (however all Arab Muslims are not the same race), but has nothing to do with racism.

You better get off this or you will get yourself in trouble. First, by such accusations, you don't seem to have a very clear definition of racism. Second, are you trying to say radical Islam is somehow a race or ethnic group? Asinine. Third, throwing around race accusations is a simian tactic that gets you further into the gutter than class envy. Don't do it, its wrong. To summarize again:

Radical Islam - evil philosophy - nothing to do with race
Source of Terrorism - Radical Islam - nothing to do with race
Arab Muslim complicity in Radical Islam support - statement of fact as per modern polling data - nothing to do with racism

Now, if you have sunk so far as to not be able to identify evil philosophies, and everything has its moral equivalence for you, fine. Go tell your local Al Qaida recruiter that you understand how it is, send you money to Hezbollah, cause everyone hurts, write a letter to Mymood I'minajihad explaining liberal support for all. Unbelievable. Sick corruption of the mind. Anyhow, drop the racist thing, or my estimation of the conversation will diminish. You really stepped in the sewer on that one, and it continues to stink.

Going forward, are you misunderstanding systematic again? You have evidence of a few renditions. The President acknowledged the practice in a few extreme cases. I say "Congratulations Mr. President on actually doing some necessary covert action, I'm sorry a few got caught. Lets make sure that doesn't happen in the future (the getting caught part)." Yes, in other words, I am all for the fact that covert actions are sometimes necessary. However, we have discussed this in the past, and it is not productive to return upon divergent opinions. I agree, if they get caught, you pay the price in publicity, so you better realize that before hand and be prepared for that cost. Conversely, the current debacle is fueled by anti-American Euro-socialists, and I would thwart them at every turn on political principal. Soon to be relabeled 'Eurostan', they ought to look at their own future security more closely.

Now for what is a really sick admission: "We too are terrorists, just like them. The notion of 'american exceptionalism' is dead." In your mind this may be true. And what killed exeptionalism in your mind? What caused you to think your a terrorist to? Could it be a evil twisted philosophy of moral equivalence? Could that have caused you to think this way? Could it be the result of the corrupting influence inherent in modern liberalism? Is the source of this statement a reflection of reality or simply the glasses you wear? What a sad result. Maybe subconsciously you have the great liberal guilt complex as well? Whatever the cause, it is a clear indication that you refuse to see America objectively anymore. Your liberal filter has created a land of doom and depression, and with that in view, how can you move towards anything positive? It's tragic and seemingly hopeless. It almost seems that your view is a inevitable product of having no hope. Hope deferred makes the heart sick. Maybe you want to heed a statement of George Washington and use his prescription for rebuilding our institutions and society:

"Our laws and institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian."

Emphatically! Impossible otherwise!

Thursday, February 22, 2007

The Terrorists that Liberals Actually See

Well, it has become a strange world, as many have seen. I am surprised on a daily basis, but with this next exchange, my incredulity meter pegs. This all begins with the Administrations recent victory regarding terrorist detentions.
Re the latest appellate court ruling...
Does that mean, just for example, that if, say Italy, were to scoop up an American CIA agent from somewhere, say in Italy, or Germany, or maybe the US, that Italy could then lawfully hold that person without charge for any length of time, without legal representation, hold a secret military trial, and then execute that person, and the US could do nothing about it. After all, but US law, that process is 'legal'. A most interesting precedent. Hope to hell I never get arrested in France and declared an enemy combatant! Does this also apply to American 'military' personnel 'detained' while engaged in 'terrorist' activities in, oh, Iraq? The spinning noise you hear are the 'Founding Fathers' in their collective graves...
Nice sentiment for the troops! Well, I got a bit testy in my response to this, but approached one aspect quite creatively (in my own mind):
BS, your full o'shit again. They are freaking spies! Every country has them, and ways to deal with them. You want to make a construction to denigrate the US and its activities. Your not interested in what the founding fathers would really think. Get real. If any spy gets caught breaking the law of another country, which happens often enough, they are not paraded around in a publicity hounding kangaroo court. We generally deport them, or try them, or try them in abstentia. If Italy wants to start a covert war on US spies, they would not be serving their national interest, hence they don't. I think your safe while traveling, unless you all the sudden convert to Islam and travel to nefarious areas. Unless of course, you have taken too many blue pills, and now view yourself as a terrorist. Some of your ilk think so, anyone buying gasoline is a supporter of the great terrorist Bush and should be tried. Seen a bunch of Shinto suicide bombers lately? Seen any Catholic car bombs lately? How about Sicilians blowing up marketplaces? No? Haven't seen any? I think in your new definition of terrorism we should include liberal political activism as a mental terrorization of a peaceful traditional culture. We're all terrorists now, hoho hoho... Dense, brainless, and not unexpected from the amoral left.

You are correct that some things are legal. Good thing we have tools to deal with modern terrorist organizations. Thank goodness there have been no new attacks on US soil do to the diligent work of our nations finest! Yes, grind on that for a while. So, been to any secret military trials or executions lately?
That has probably got a bit of emotional twist, more than I usually let slip, but it is starting to grate on my nerves when people denigrate our finest citizens, and especially accuse such of being 'terrorist' in some stupid liberal redefinition. But the followup gets even better:
I take it that you don't actually have to PROVE anything, the accusation is sufficient to convict. You do talk about Muslims in what is quite a racist way, you know. Do you ever wonder WHY they have turned to suicide bombings?
Ok, at this point your sense of decorum dries up, no? But, this is the way these people think. It is wrong, contorted, and extremely bad for this nation, but we have to deal with it somehow. See if I remained steady:
What? I talk about Muslims in a racist way? Never thought you would sink down that road, interesting. So which statement elicited that liberal stock accusation? Hmm, you think its racist to actively look for recent converts to Islam that travel to nefarious areas? If so, I can't help you, you've lost reason, objectivity, and mental discourse to the parade of emotional inanity that is modern liberalism. If anything, I step on all these other examples, that if you will notice, historically have done the acts attributed. At this time, however, the overwhelming primary source of terrorism does not come from radicals in those groups. It comes from one clearly identifiable source... Oh, wait, you can't see that cause WE are the bad guys, WE are the instigators of terror. Unbelievable. How many little blue pills does it take to get there? Furthermore, it would be religious bigotry, not racism. Although, I don't believe I crossed the bigot line. If you reread, I was pretty careful, unlike some others and their statements about Christianity. In fact, you could say it's the one accepted form of religious bigotry today, as practice by many liberals, yourself included at times. Again, I'm shocked at how infected you have become. Modern liberalism is a mind numbing virus..

Now, this is very funny:

"I take it that you don't actually have to PROVE anything, the accusation is sufficient to convict."

Don't expose liberals favorite tactics so quickly! Have you not convicted the US of systematic torture, rendition, terror based solely on accusation? HMMMM? Unbelievable! Your proof is in your leftist controlled socialist propaganda spewing media? Please, trite statements like this don't facilitate dialog well. What makes this even more amusing is the release of the E.U.'s report on rendition and secret prisons. Yes, they 'condemn' the practise, yet find no proof of any member states involvement in secret prisons. Idiots all. Of course the rendition 'travesty' is still on the table for nutters to foment over. If only they would spend as much time actually fighting the looming threat of Islamic Radicalism...

Finally, yes I have considered why they have turned to suicide bombings. Pure evil. Pure hatred. Pure culture of destruction. And we should fight it. Eradicate and crush it, exiled to a ignoble place in history with similar evil philosophies. We are not talking about throwing off the Kings rule here... This is fueled by a philosophy that does not value life, and intends to conquer with the blade. Of course all statements are in reference to Radical Islamist particularly, then the Arab Muslim community as a unconscious/conscious facilitator. In no way is the whole Islamic world implicated, yet at the same time, they tend to poll sympathetic with radical elements, and may find that the particular form of radicalism at this stage is beginning to infect otherwise peaceful communities. Many examples exist of this occurring, yet few examples exist of any large scale anti radical stance in the Muslim world. Ignorance is complicity.
Well, that concludes today's installment. I am still shocked at how far liberals have gone to thwart our great country, and it doesn't seem they are turning around...